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    Video Footage Shows HyperSport Delivering Game-Changing Performance
    Up to 200 hp, 200 mph, and 200 miles of range
    Company's Proprietary EV Platform Showcased in Action
    Maker of high-tech, high-performance motorcycles that are safer, smarter, and cleaner

SAN RAFAEL, Calif., Nov. 18, 2024 /CNW/ - Damon Inc. (Nasdaq: DMN), maker of high-tech, high-performance motorcycles that are safer, smarter, and cleaner and deliver up to 200 hp, 200 mph, and 200 miles of range, today released dramatic video of its revolutionary HyperSport electric motorcycle, showcasing the vehicle's groundbreaking performance capabilities and advancing the company's position as a leader in the electric motorcycle revolution.

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The heart-pounding footage captures the HyperSport demonstrating some of its impressive specs: 200 horsepower, top speeds of 200 mph, and an industry-leading 200-mile range on a single charge. The video provides investors and enthusiasts a comprehensive look at Damon's proprietary electric vehicle platform in action.

"This video isn't just about a motorcycle – it's about the future of two-wheeled transportation," said Jay Giraud, CEO of Damon Inc. "The HyperSport represents a perfect triple-threat of performance, safety, and sustainability that the market has been demanding."

The HyperSport's advanced technology package includes COPILOT™, delivering on Damon's commitment to creating motorcycles that are not just high-performance, but also safer and smarter than traditional options.

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About Damon

Damon is on a mission to cause a paradigm shift for safer, smarter motorcycling. With its development offices in San Rafael, California, Damon is led by entrepreneurs and executives from world-class EV and technology companies.  Anchored by the groundbreaking HyperDrive™ electric powertrain, all Damon motorcycles are set to deliver power and range that exceed that of gas without the noise, emissions, or maintenance hassles. Damon has captured the attention of the motorcycling world cutting edge designs and innovative safety technologies including CoPilot™ and Shift™, which are attracting a new generation of motorcycle riders. With strong consumer interest in the US and abroad, Damon aims to set the standard for motorcycle safety and sustainability worldwide. For more information, please visit damon.com.

FORWARD LOOKING STATEMENTS

This press release contains forward-looking information or forward-looking statements under applicable Canadian and U.S. securities laws (collectively, "forward-looking statements") that reflect current expectations and projections of Damon Inc. ("Damon") about its future development. When used in this press release, forward-looking statements can be identified by the use of words such as "may," or by such words as "will," "intend," "believe," "estimate," "consider," "expect," "anticipate," and "objective" and similar expressions or variations of such words. Forward-looking statements are, by their nature, not guarantees of Damon's future operational or financial performance and are subject to risks and uncertainties and other factors that could cause Damon's actual results, performance, prospects, or opportunities to differ materially from those expressed in, or implied by, these forward-looking statements. No representation or warranty is intended with respect to anticipated future results, or that estimates, or projections will be sustained.

Forward-looking statements in this press release include, but are not limited to, statements relating to the expected performance level of Damon motorcycles, the estimated demand of Damon motorcycles, and the potential safety ratings of Damon motorcycles.

In developing the forward-looking statements in this press release, we have applied several material assumptions, including the general business and economic conditions of the industries and countries in which Damon operates, and general market conditions. Many risks, uncertainties, and other factors could cause the actual results of Damon to differ materially from the results, performance, achievements, or developments expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. These risks, uncertainties, and other factors include, but are not limited to, the following:

    the risk that the price of common shares of Damon may be volatile due to a variety of factors, including changes in the highly competitive industries in which Damon operates, variations in performance across competitors, changes in laws, regulations, technologies that may impose additional costs and compliance burdens on Damon's operations, global supply chain disruptions and shortages, and macro-economic and social environments affecting Damon's businesses;
    the inability to implement Damon's business plans, forecasts, and other expectations, or identify and realize additional opportunities;
    the risk that Damon has not achieved sufficient sales and production capacity at a mass-production facility, and Damon and its current and future collaborators may be unable to successfully develop and market Damon's motorcycles or solutions, or may experience significant delays in doing so;
    the risk that Damon may never achieve or sustain profitability;
    the risk that Damon may be unable to raise additional capital on acceptable terms to finance its operations and remain a going concern;
    the risk that Damon experiences difficulties in managing its growth and expanding operations;
    any adverse changes in U.S. or Canadian general economic, business, market, financial, political or legal conditions, including as a consequence of the ongoing uncertainties relating to inflation and interest rates;
    any inability to successfully and economically manufacture and distribute Damon's motorcycles at scale;
    the reliance on key management, including Damon's Chief Executive Officer, Jay Giraud, and any inability to attract and/or retain key personnel;
    any inability to raise additional funds to meet its capital requirements and pursue its growth strategy when and in the amounts needed; and
    any inability to secure adequate insurance coverage or a potential increase in insurance costs.

Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the date of the press release or as of the date otherwise specifically indicated herein. Due to risks and uncertainties, events may differ materially from current expectations. Damon disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required pursuant to applicable securities law.  All forward-looking statements contained in the press release are expressly qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement.

Additional information about Damon Inc., and the foregoing risks and uncertainties, can be found in our filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, including our Form 10 and Form S-1 registration statements and subsequent filings, at www.sec.gov, and our filings with the British Columbia Securities Commission, including our non-offering prospectus filed following our completed business combination with Damon Motors Inc. and subsequent filings, at www.sedarplus.ca.
#2
Green energy supplier Moment Energy announced it will receive $20.3 million in funding from the U.S. Department of Energy. The award will help establish a U.S.-based manufacturing facility that repurposes electric vehicle batteries.
New Gigafactory to Support a Circular Economy

Moment Energy plans to build its gigafactory in Taylor, Texas, where it expects to produce battery energy storage systems using repurposed electric vehicle batteries. Moment Energy stated that the project would support a circular economy model that increases the lifespan of essential battery materials.
The Factory's Key Features

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The factory's highlights include a 1 gigawatt-hour annual production capacity, more than 50 new manufacturing roles, 200 new permanent jobs, and UL 1974 certification. The company reported that preparations for the facility's design and development would begin in the next quarter.

The funding is part of the DOE's $428 million initiative, which aims to boost clean energy manufacturing in former coal communities, strengthen the U.S. energy supply chain, reduce dependence on foreign materials, create jobs, and revitalize communities.
Incorporating AI for Battery Storage

Moment Energy added that it is developing an AI-powered management system to improve the lifespan and safety of battery energy storage, which supports the company's goal of enabling all electric vehicle batteries to be remodeled by 2030.

Moment Energy's operations include work with automotive companies such as Mercedes Benz Energy.
#3
Motorcycle Talk / Polaris Launches Polaris Adven...
Last post by Biketographer - November 14, 2024, 10:13:31 AM
Polaris Adventures Elite offers more than 20 tools purpose-built for recreation rental businesses, helping them to ease the pains of day-to-day operations

MINNEAPOLIS, Nov. 13, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- Polaris Adventures, the experience business of global powersports leader Polaris Inc. (NYSE: PII), today introduced Polaris Adventures Elite, a suite of more than 20 tools created to help small, independent outdoor experience operators run their business more efficiently, and further advance the overall outdoor adventure experience for customers.

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Polaris Adventures brings together a network of Outfitter locations to provide premium ride and drive experiences at epic destinations nationwide. With adventure experiences at over 250+ Outfitter locations, Polaris Adventures Outfitters offer worry-free half and full-day options for couples, families, and adventure groups in state-of-the-art Polaris vehicles. Visit adventures.polaris.com to learn more.

Polaris Adventures brings together a network of Outfitter locations to provide premium ride and drive experiences at epic destinations nationwide. With adventure experiences at over 250+ Outfitter locations, Polaris Adventures Outfitters offer worry-free half and full-day options for couples, families, and adventure groups in state-of-the-art Polaris vehicles. Visit adventures.polaris.com to learn more.

From a custom-built, integrated reservation technology system to protections and risk management, Polaris Adventures Elite seamlessly integrates multiple business aspects into one platform to help deliver streamlined solutions for daily business operations and relieve common pain points for its Polaris Adventures Outfitters.

"We've heard from our outfitter partners that they originally got into the recreation rental industry as a way to incorporate their personal passion for the outdoors into a business," said Gray Rentz, vice president and general manager, Polaris Experience. "At Polaris Adventures we have a similar mindset. Combining that with our knowledge and capabilities as a Fortune 500 company, we are focused on offering resources, like Polaris Adventures Elite, to help simplify the day-to-day operations and streamline backend systems. This means our Outfitters can spend more time focusing on what they love most – providing unique and localized outdoor experiences."

Currently, the reservation technology systems available in the market have limitations when used in the powersports space. Polaris Adventures recognized this as a common challenge for its Outfitters and applied their deep knowledge of the powersports rental industry to create a system that allows for multiple reservation types on a single platform – MPWR Book. This custom-built reservation technology can also be used for other business purposes like tracking maintenance of vehicles, inventory and more, greatly decreasing the administrative overhead and increasing overall visibility and efficiency. MPWR Book also simplifies the experience for the customer looking to book their next outdoor adventure.

"I think for the industry, Polaris Adventures is the best and these enhancements only improve the experience for Outfitters in general. Digitizing and automation of maintenance tracking is huge and will pay dividends," said Jon Berry, owner of Pocono Outdoor Adventure Tours. "I love the concept of MPWR Book, we'll no longer need to fit little square pegs into a round hole – having a system tailored to our specific needs and simplified is exactly what is needed."

Since its launch in 2017, Polaris Adventures has become a leading powersports vehicles' rental program, creating opportunities for customers to get outside, try new activities, or even new models for those who may already own a powersports vehicle. Polaris Adventures has grown to offer adventure experiences at over 250+ Outfitter locations across the U.S. and Canada, as well as experiences in Mexico and New Zealand.

To learn more visit adventures.polaris.com.

About Polaris Adventures
Polaris Adventures brings together a network of Outfitter locations to provide premium ride and drive experiences at epic destinations nationwide. With adventure experiences at over 250+ Outfitter locations, Polaris Adventures Outfitters offer worry-free half and full-day options for couples, families, and adventure groups in state-of-the-art Polaris vehicles. Visit adventures.polaris.com to learn more.
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from www.advrider.com .....

QuoteTo say the least, sales were not brisk. It's difficult to determine how many LiveWire and LiveWire One motorcycles have been sold. However, the LiveWire Group's 2022 full-year results show that only 50 Harley-Davidson LiveWire One motorcycles were sold. 2023 was even worse with zero (i.e., none) Harley-Davidson LiveWire One motorcycles sold. Depending on whose data you believe,  in total, Harley-Davidson and LiveWire have only sold somewhere around 1,700 motorcycles since inception. This includes their "newly released" S2 Del Mar middleweight motorcycle.
read full article at  https://www.advrider.com/is-harleys-livewire-brand-dead/
#5
MILAN, Nov. 11, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- At the highly anticipated EICMA exhibition, Tromox proudly showcased its latest creation, the M03 electric motorcycle, along with the mass production MC10 and the newly upgraded Ukko S+. Designed specifically for urban commuting, the M03 stands out with its exceptional value and tech-retro aesthetic, further solidifying Tromox's position in urban electric mobility.

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The M03 is available in two versions, M03 Plus and M03 Pro, certified under L1e and L3e standards to meet the diverse needs of users. Equipped with a 48V/48Ah battery, providing approximately 2.3 kWh of capacity, the M03 delivers up to 100 km of range per charge, perfectly suited for daily commutes and short trips. With a top speed of 45 km/h for the Plus version and 70 km/h for the Pro version, the M03 is an ideal choice for urban riders.

Tromox recognizes the need for electric motorcycles to be price-competitive with fuel-powered bikes. Priced at a highly competitive starting point of 2,199 euros for the M03 Plus and 2,499 euros for the Pro, the M03 offers outstanding performance and intelligent features. A Tromox spokesperson commented that the launch of the M03 represents an important step in the urban mobility market. They aim to provide users with an eco-friendly and convenient electric travel solution at an affordable price.

In addition, Tromox showcased the upgraded Ukko S+, which boasts enhanced performance. The Ukko S+ features a high-performance motor with a peak output of 8000W, combined with Tromox's self-developed FOC vector controller and automotive-grade VCU+BCM central control, offering more powerful acceleration and more stable handling. Meanwhile, the MC10 electric motorcycle has entered mass production, and Tromox is actively advancing its global release plan.

The M03 also impresses with its smart design, supporting NFC, Bluetooth, and Tromox App unlocking, enhancing convenience and technological appeal for users. Additionally, it is equipped with Blind Spot Detection (BSD), ABS anti-lock braking, and TCS traction control, ensuring a secure riding experience.

As a key member of Tromox's trendy cross-riding lineup, the M03, along with the MC10, Ukko, and Mino series, showcases the brand's innovative spirit and deep understanding of urban riding trends. With its ongoing European expansion, Tromox warmly invites dealers to join the movement, promoting the adoption of electric mobility and leading the future of urban riding.

Contact:
T: +86-571-8855 6818
W: www.tromox.com
#6
Commercial Classifieds / 2025 Honda CBR1000RR-R SPS Fir...
Last post by HRCkt - November 06, 2024, 10:29:49 AM
I still have 2 of these in stock. Right out of the box, you get:

5" TFT dislplay
Electronic Ohlins NPX forks
TTX36 Ohlins Shock
Full titanium Akrapovic
Brembo Stylema front calipers
Brembo front master cylinder
Brembo rear master cylinder is the same as on the RCV213V-S
TBW with adjustable TC, EB, WC and power curve
Quick shifter
Autoblip

New for 2025 are:

New longer swing arm with 15% reduction in rigidity for rear traction
Lighter pistons using the same material used for RCV213V-S
50% lighter titanium rods
Larger throttle bodies
Narrower intake valve angle
Different shape on intake port and airbox
Lighter crank case
Lighter crankshaft
Lighter valves
Valve timing
More compression
Cam lobes DLC coated

This is the bike that won the MotoAmerica Stock 1000 and Superbike Cup this year. I know of a couple people that were racing in Stock 1000 straight out of the crate with nothing but race bodywork put on. With Honda Contingency killing it right now, this is the bike to get!

Competitive financing available. I only have 2 available right now. MSRP is $28,999 plus tax and title. No dealer fees! Come get the bike Hayden took to a championship this year from the dealership providing him bikes! Southern Honda Powersports, East Ridge, TN. Reply, DM me or call 423-486-9045 (Direct) or call / text 423-619-4478 (personal cell).
#7
QuoteIn a significant blow to the electric bike and e-motorcycle industry, FUELL Inc., an electric mobility startup founded with the help of motorcycle visionary Erik Buell, has filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. The company, which launched in 2019 with high hopes of revolutionizing e-bikes through sleek design and advanced technology, is now facing liquidation after being unable to fulfill its financial obligations and pre-ordered electric bikes.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/electric-bike-startup-fuell-files-for-bankruptcy-after-failing-to-deliver-on-pre-orders/ar-AA1sOi3e
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Motorcycle Talk / TVS MOTOR CO LAUNCHES TVS APAC...
Last post by Biketographer - October 26, 2024, 08:37:59 AM
SINGAPORE, Oct. 22, 2024 /PRNewswire/ -- TVS Motor Company (TVSM), a leading global automaker in the two and three-wheeler segment, today launched its new sports motorcycle – the TVS Apache RTR 310, the freestyler, at National Bikers Weekend in Singapore. This highly anticipated naked sports motorcycle redefines the realm of two-wheeled exhilaration with its impressive blend of power, agility and style, that is poised to captivate motorcycle enthusiasts and adrenaline aficionados.

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The company also showcased its Apache product portfolio at the National Bikers Weekend from October 18 – 20, 2024. Singapore's premier and the only motorcycle exhibition attracts motorcycle enthusiasts from across Singapore and neighbouring regions. The event will also feature the latest motorcycles in the market, including Street, Urban, Sports, Off-Road, Lifestyle, and Electric models.

The TVS Apache RTR 310 leads the segment in innovation right from its unique design, engine layout, heat management and many differentiated technologies which are focused on rider engagement, safety and comfort. The motorcycle promises an unmatched riding experience, setting new benchmarks and offering a gateway into the world of the freestyler.

At the exhibition, TVSM displayed the Apache RTR 200 4V, Apache RR 310 along with the new TVS Apache RTR 310. The motorcycle show will be a platform for visitors  and auto enthusiasts to see the first-in-class features, design and technology products for the ultimate riding experience.

Speaking on the launch and participation, Mr. Rahul Nayak, Vice President, International Business, TVS Motor Company, said, "We are excited to introduce the new TVS Apache series - RTR 310 in Singapore at the National Bikers Weekend. The TVS Apache RTR 310 represents the next generation of the TVS Apache series, which carries a 20-year racing heritage and a global community of over 5.5 million Apache customers. It is a part of the rapidly growing premium motorcycle brand worldwide. This freestyling performance motorcycle offers an exceptional combination of power, agility, and style. We are confident that the product will appeal to riding enthusiasts with its stylish features and high performance. Additionally, we invite attendees to visit our pavilion at the National Bikers Weekend to experience TVS Motor's engineering, quality, and design expertise."

Presenting at the launch event, Mr. J Thangarajan, President Director, PT TVS Motor Company, said, ""With the launch of TVS Apache RTR 310, we have redefined our engineering to a whole new level by offering motorcycle enthusiasts in Singapore a powerful and technologically superior motorcycle that provides them with a unique riding experience. We are committed to bringing in new products with feature that delight the customers and enhancing of Apache portfolio. We are also in the process of training and educating our service network partners on the unique technology features of this motorcycle.Our endeavour is to provide best-in-class sales and service experience to our customers."

TVS Apache RTR 310 - Product Details:

Redefining Tech:

+        Cruise Control
+        Bidirectional Quickshifter
+        Dynamic Class D LED Headlamp
+        Race Tuned Linear Stability Control
+        Dynamic Brake Lamp
+        Lightweight aluminum sub frame
+        5 Ride Modes including all new Supermoto Mode
+        Tire Pressure Monitoring System
+        Unique Reverse Inclined DOHC Engine
+        5" TFT Cluster with GoPro Control, Music Control,
          Voice Assist, Smart Helmet Device Connectivity,
          Telephony and Navigation
+        Race Tuned Dynamic Stability Control with 6D
          IMU
o    Cornering ABS
o    Cornering Traction Control
o    Cornering Cruise Control
o    Wheelie Control
o    Slope Dependent Control
o    Rear Lift-off Control


Power to the freestyler, packed with performance:

    Built from ground-up, the motorcycle's 312.2 cc engine has a unique reverse inclined DOHC engine that provides a compact engine layout resulting in mass centralisation. The all-new forged aluminium piston is 5% lighter which produces a peak power of 35.6 PS @ 9,700 rpm and maximum torque of 28.7 Nm @ 6,650 rpm. The engine is tuned for all range torque delivery which gives you unlimited thrill across the power band and the fastest in segment 0-60 of 2.81 secs

    The power is delivered through a 6-speed transmission with all new Bi Directional Quickshifter. The quickshifter is specially tuned for widest operating range starting from 2,300 rpm all the way to the red line. The state-of-the-art Throttle-By-Wire system comprises of an intelligent 46mm large throttle body that provides a crisp power delivery

    Additionally, the motorcycle offers ultimate Stability Control systems with Linear and Dynamic cornering controls. The Race Tuned Linear Stability Control (RT-LSC) includes straight line dual channel ABS, Cruise control, Linear Traction Control and rear lift protection. The Race Tuned Dynamic Stability Control (RT-DSC) features a first in segment 6D IMU that provides the ultimate safety – Cornering ABS, Cornering traction control, Cornering Cruise control, wheelie control, slope dependent control and rear lift-off control.

    The first in segment cruise control maintains the set speed without any throttle or clutch input helping in reducing rider fatigue over long distance riding. The cruise control feature allows you to downshift and upshift up to 2 gears to achieve optimum cruise rpm and use cruise for longer period.

    Race Tuned Slipper Clutch allows for rapid downshifts, allowing for later braking and more precise cornering. The assist function tightly binds the clutch plates during acceleration, to provide enhanced torque carrying capacity with reduced clutch operating force.

    The Engine Coolant Jacket Optimization along with 23 rows of radiator tubes is designed to have best-in-class heat management by reducing the engine temperature, allowing for superior performance and higher revving.

    The motorcycle brings in Glide Through Technology (GTT), a first-in-segment feature that aids ease of riding during slow movements while in traffic or otherwise.

Sculpted Design and Dynamics of the freestyler:

    The TVS Apache RTR 310 sports a forward biased mass with an upswept sleek tail giving it a unique streetfighter silhouette. The DRL, headlamp and tail lamp are all designed to give a menacing cyborg look. The unique lightweight aluminium sub frame embodies an exoskeletal look that maximizes its agility. The all new lightweight 8 spoke dual coloured alloy wheels enhance the flamboyance.

    The Hyper Spec trellis frame of the TVS Apache RTR 310 is designed to provide excellent dynamic response at higher speeds, greater agility and ease of manoeuvrability. This is further accentuated with sporty steel tapered handlebars to give the rider precise control. The machine's ergonomics are optimized for better load distribution to give excellent steering control and good lower back comfort during long rides. The adjustable hand levers provide 4 levels of adjustment for increased accessibility during diverse riding styles.

    The suspension on the motorcycle is honed and tuned by the experts from KYB. The monoshock with monotube floating piston technology has hydraulic stopper with check valves providing precise damping and smooth dynamic response to achieve best-in-class lateral acceleration and cornering speeds. The TVS Apache RTR 310 is equipped with Michelin Road 5 tyres, that are engineered with next-gen compounds and featuring Michelin's patented ACT+ technology, to provide superior grip for cornering and offer a premium ride feel.

Advanced Technology for the freestyler:

    Built on a foundation of advanced technology, the motorcycle is equipped with 5 ride modes namely Urban, Rain, Sports, Track and the all-new Supermoto mode that disengages the rear ABS while maximizing the power. The horizontal 5" TFT race computer offers unique UI themes, and customizable settings including traction control, cruise control, quickshifter, climatic seat control, TPMS, headlamp brightness and DRL control. The SmartXonnect Bluetooth connectivity links the TVS Apache RTR 310 with your smartphone offering a series of features including telephony, music control, GoPro control, smart helmet connectivity, voice assist, race telemetry, precise turn by turn navigation with what3words, digi docs and crash alert.

    The motorcycle features first in segment smart lighting features – The all new Class D Dynamic LED Headlamp which has 3 levels of light intensity that changes basis the speed thus providing optimum lighting. The all new Dynamic Brake Lamp triggers rapid flashing of the brake lamp during hard braking.

    Fully adjustable suspension with preload, compression and rebound damping adjustment on the front suspension and preload + rebound damping on the rear monoshock which a wide range of adjustability for varied riding conditions. The kit also includes a Tire Pressure Monitoring System to keep real time track of tire pressure for optimum performance and Brass Coated drive chain that not only enhances the look of the motorcycle but also protects from rust thus increasing the life of the chain.

    The TVS Apache RTR 310 boasts of 12 exclusive freestyler accessories including knuckle guard, visor, pannier and top box kit and 14 safety gears and lifestyle merchandize for the customers to choose from.

About TVS Motor Company

TVS Motor Company (BSE:532343 and NSE: TVSMOTOR) is a reputed two and three-wheeler manufacturer globally, championing progress through sustainable mobility with four state-of-the-art manufacturing facilities located in India and Indonesia. Rooted in our 100-year legacy of trust, value, and passion for customers, it takes pride in making internationally accepted products of the highest quality through innovative and sustainable processes. TVS Motor is the only two-wheeler company to have won the prestigious Deming Prize. Our products lead in their respective categories in the J.D. Power IQS and APEAL surveys. We have been ranked No. 1 Company in the J.D. Power Customer Service Satisfaction Survey for four consecutive years. Our group company Norton Motorcycles, based in the United Kingdom, is one of the most emotive motorcycle brands in the world. Our subsidiaries in the personal e-mobility space, Swiss E-Mobility Group (SEMG) and EGO Movement have a leading position in the e-bike market in Switzerland. TVS Motor Company endeavours to deliver the most superior customer experience across 80 countries in which we operate.
#9
We are back :-)
No electricity from Wednesday through Sunday.
Can not complain.......   in three other hurricanes I was without electricity for 14 days.
And  temperature was quite mild for Florida, so lack of air conditioning was not an annoyance.
#10
Right now it is predicted to be a category 5 hurricane.
If you look at the line of predicted path it goes right over my house. 
Cat 5 would mean no electricity for many days.  Internet might be off even longer.

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