would anybody else be mad

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Doesn't always work that way...

Motors don't have a heavy crosshatch on iron cylinders that need the kind of breaking in that they did not so long ago.

Lots of the important bearings are plain bearings...if there's oil pressure, those should really never touch...no real break in there.

Valves...

It's titanium.  It's not going to stretch, it's not repairable.  Simple fact is that the new generation of ti valved bikes are going to have problems, more so than their previous ones.  That's why I kept my old yellow bike.

Manufacturer defects cause problems that cannot be fixed, they can only be "found" upon the destruction of those parts.  I've been there.  I was trying to "break in" a bike, and it broke.

Hey Dave,
Being that you receive "favors" of service from said shop wouldn't you want to maintain a little more neutrality here or at least disclose that your an unofficial salesman.

  If you want to continue advocating for your employer, 4&6, you should give up the position of moderator. You're not moderating on behalf of the interest of racing and this site, but a sponsor you're receiving from. 

[Super Dave]

Well,  we will leave the source out of it but,  his motors are built too. Again, Iam sorry for startnig this thread Jim. 

Why not finish it?

Jim of shop10 or something didn't build it.  Who's fault is it?

[Super Dave]

Hey Dave,
Being that you receive "favors" of service from said shop wouldn't you want to maintain a little more neutrality here or at least disclose that your an unofficial salesman.

  If you want to continue advocating for your employer, 4&6, you should give up the position of moderator. You're not moderating on behalf of the interest of racing and this site, but a sponsor you're receiving from. 

This is all very interesting...

First, I am not an employee of 4&6 or any company that is owned by the owners or employees of 4&6.

I have a decent list of sponsors.  Some I've had a relationship with longer than others. 

I didn't apply to be a moderator, I was asked, and I accepted for the second time on the CCS Forum.  I do this on my time, and I pretty much shoot it like I see it.  Compliments where compliments are due, regardless of who's doing stuff.  I do have opinions based on a really long time of actually competiting in the silly sport.  A sport that many riders who have migrated from track days are now claiming to be victims in many ways compared to the days of not so long ago. 

Additionally, there is a lot of hype based advertising in the motorcycle industry.  I see junky bits of things floating around and even unneccesary things being used.  These are my opinions based on my generalizations of experiences.  You're free to listen or not. 

My opinion might be different about how things really are on something based on generalizations from riding a pretty long list of bikes, tracks, etc...and working with a decent list of talented and untalented riders...compared to a person with less experience. 

If that opinion doesn't suit one, then one should find in one's logic to do a few things:  go out and gain all the experience on their own either through paying to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result, learning from others with a little more experience gained in similar ways, or listen to others or ignore them.  Quite simply, an individual is still responsible for their decisions. 

Unoffical salesman...

That goes a lot of ways now doesn't it...

For those that have Lockhart-Philips listed on their sponsor information...

Are you responsible for a manufacturers defect on a product that another person buys from Lockhart Philips?  What if they are out of stock?  What if the person uses it incorrectly?

How many non stickered bikes are out there?  That would be the only non sales bike.

[K3 Chris Onwiler]

  If you want to continue advocating for your employer, 4&6, you should give up the position of moderator. You're not moderating on behalf of the interest of racing and this site, but a sponsor you're receiving from. 

SNAP!




Mr Ronso?  Response?

[Jeff]

damn K3... get a hobby.

[Super Dave]

Ok, so how would me not being a moderator change anything?



Did you ask me to sticky, delete, or modify something that wasn't done by myself or some other moderator?

Let's just use this whole post as an example...

I think I could have abused my "power" to delete, modify, etc. posts...

Not being a moderator still leaves me with the opportunity to have an opinion, and a forum to post.


I'm not a moderator to get anyone to like me more.

You were the one that PM'ed me to drop my relationship with "shop10" or whatever code you'd like to give to Jim, Ed, Meghan, Ivan, etc. at 4&6.

You made claims that I saw to be false, hurtful, and directed to reduce the business that 4&6 has.  Have you stood up and told your stance face to face to them?  What was your relationship with them when you were their customer?

Sponsorship aside, 4&6 has dropped a lot of time into racing.  I have yet to see an IRL sized shop.  I haven't seen any extravagance.  If you wanted to get rich, you wouldn't get very far in this side of the motorcycle industry.

For those that feel you're on the loosing end of any deal, makin' consistent contact with the company will go a long way in your dealings.  Let this thread die.

[spyderchick]

Guys, I respect you both and your opinions, but this belongs in PMs and emails.

Thanks!

[Jeff]

okay, and on that note, I'm gonna lock this thread down.

If you have questions or comments, feel free to email me - jeff@cbr600rr.com pm me 'jeff' or call me 262-993-5416.

You're also very welcome to contact Jim Raschid directly.  I spoke to him this morning in fact.  And for reference, he is against deleting or locking this topic.  I'm doing it because it is not offering anything for anyone at this point.