ChiVinMoto....BHF...6-30

[Jwhite316]

Anyone had a chance to see this on the tentative schedule for next BHF event. It looks like, from what I could find a vintage racing series.  I understand the ambition to bring another racing body to share costs....but by combing their events with our LW events I am concerned of how slow their class will be running.  In my opinion too slow is simply not safe. 

[Xian_13]

Anyone had a chance to see this on the tentative schedule for next BHF event. It looks like, from what I could find a vintage racing series.  I understand the ambition to bring another racing body to share costs....but by combing their events with our LW events I am concerned of how slow their class will be running.  In my opinion too slow is simply not safe. 

So, stick them with EX MW/HW/UnL?

You have a preconceived idea how fast these guys will be.
If you do not run them with LW, then they would need their own group.
Thus leaving everyone with less track time.

Suck it up and cherish more money coming to the track, instead of losing our racing league.

-X

[bruce71198]

Vintage doesnt mean slow! And if they are slow put them behind ULWTB. More attendance is good for the sport!!!

[twilkinson3]

Frankly as long as they are at least held to the CCS tech requirements or other considerations for safety - I have no issue at all...just some more folks to share the track with and plan passes on if they are that much slower

Few of you might remember the 12(?) year old girly on the 125 the other year (was it last year?)  I lapped her twice in a sprint her first time out...she held a good line and no issues arose..long as these guys can do roughly the same I see no real issue save the potential for differing rules on bike prep causing a safety concern (I wouldn't be fond of no belly pan for instance...)

In the end the more the merrier

[truckstop]

I think the origins of this were more about some of the Vintage guys in the Mil/Chi area (of which there are many, the Vin culture is strong here - ChiVinMoto isn't a race series, it's a loosely organized non-club) wanting more opportunities to race, other than the one AHRMA event at Road America.

They're good peeps, watching old bikes race is a hoot, and I think they're all actually pretty stoked about this event.

From seeing some of these guys ride, the skill range is pretty big, some have been racing for a while and are pretty quick, and there will be others who are probably not so much. That all said, how many bikes have been on the grid for LW SS/SB at any given event? There were only 5 bikes total for LWSS at BHF.

Terry, Kenzie is more like 15, and she's back this year on a Ninja 250. :)

[twilkinson3]

LWSS I hope to increase the number by 1 at least lol, ya the GP and superbike ones are the ones I could see some concerns with if you bring say a Honda 350 4 stroke to play with while ed and crew are turnign 15s hehe - might be messy but hey that's racing some time - unpredicitible put me in the weeds once a couple years back..that does make me a bit leery but hey I'll take ANY racing after the way this year has been going - long as the saftey basics are covered

On Kenzie - I'm horrible with names/ages/faces, I just remember having exactly zero issue with the rate of speed/line choice/predicting where she was going etc etc

[Jwhite316]

Well my intuitions were right.  These guys were dangerously slow, and they did not hold their line very well.  I truly hope this never happens again, as it did pose a safety threat IMO. 

[twilkinson3]

I had an entirely different experience in LWSS, predictable lines, easy passes...closing speeds did approach scarey at times but if you learn to expect it....

[Jwhite316]

I had an entirely different experience in LWSS, predictable lines, easy passes...closing speeds did approach scarey at times but if you learn to expect it....

IMO their lines were all over the place.  Bottom line is that there were several situations that were simply unsafe.  I experienced several during morning practice, and I spoke to Kevin V.E. who actually lost a race to Ed because of those guys not riding predictably.  The closing speed was just flatout dangerous.  I hope that we don't have this situation again.

[tevbax]

IMO their lines were all over the place.  Bottom line is that there were several situations that were simply unsafe.  I experienced several during morning practice, and I spoke to Kevin V.E. who actually lost a race to Ed because of those guys not riding predictably.  The closing speed was just flatout dangerous.  I hope that we don't have this situation again.

Heres his message on WSB:


Did LWGP instead of rookies cup. Didnt want to have near back to backs in the heat. 6th out of 6.[/size] Had a "moment" towards the end when the leaders came by me (again). Guy went to the inside of me, I ende up playing on the potholes and went way wide and another guy was going around the outside and ended up pushing him damn near off the rumbles. Tried to find him afterward to apologise. Just couldnt get it to turn more.

[bruce71198]

Ya they were slow.... holy crap!  We tried it and now know what needs adjusting. We just need to find a place for them. I thought some of the old bikes are kind of cool? Did I just type that ? Any way back in the early 90's AHRMA used to race at the CCS events on saturdays, brings back some good memories.

[Xian_13]

IMO their lines were all over the place.  Bottom line is that there were several situations that were simply unsafe.  I experienced several during morning practice, and I spoke to Kevin V.E. who actually lost a race to Ed because of those guys not riding predictably.  The closing speed was just flatout dangerous.  I hope that we don't have this situation again.

Maybe the classes need to be restructured.
Maybe, they can't run the vintage bikes with classes they thought.

From you, I hear you talk about safety and closing speeds.
Instead of complaining about the problem you have, help find a solution.

Next BHF weekend, I will have my TZ out in practice, with you.
If you would like to discuss closing speeds with me, I will be happy to have an adult discussion with you.
Look for Expert #140.

As far as the LWGP, that incident was two Ninja 250s going around a SV650

I for one, want the sport to grow.
I also enjoy seeing the vintage bikes race.
Not to mention the envy I have, for not owning one at this moment.

-X

P.s. I was working as a corner marshal on Sunday, and I never saw/heard of any one of the vintage guys crashing.