A couple of whines...WAH! about Practice Days

[sdiver68]

1)  At Mid-America, the afternoon sessions in the advanced group were split between Am and Ex.  Hmmm, According to the literature, there are 3 groups...Street, Inter, and Advanced...no mention of Ex Advanced.  How am I as an AM supposed to learn from the EX's if I never get out there and practice with them?  Who am I to learn from?

OK, so i acknowledge the counter argument that Experts dont want to be out there with us "slow" or "dangerous" guys...but based on what I've seen the top handful of Amateurs in any given race would be knocking on the door of Top 10 finishes in Expert.

But my biggest gripe is if you do split it, then dont let 1 or 2 AM's out there but deny others.  That gives them a big unfair advantage, imo, particularly at newer venues like MAM.

2)  The Track day at Gateway is listed by CCS as an LP day, therefore the fee should be $75.  Yet last time I was charged $100...and now I see the fee is $135?!?  If it's an LP day, then the fee structure should be the same.  If not, then eveyone should just be directed to MCRA/Mid-West rider....

These are my first gripes of the year, other than concern over the Chicane/Bump at Gateway.  I want to thank the CCS staff for doing everything they can to ensure a great racing experience.  :)

[razorrider1]

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     ditto,  sensible......



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[jim_p]

I am an expert and agree that the spliting of am/ex on Friday was not the thing to do.The bikes that should have been removed were the singles and the 125's. Not that these guys are not good riders,but a GSXR 1000 would have a heck of a closing speed.

[Arnziffel]

Hey Steve,
The track days at Gateway are put on by Midwestrider.com in conjunction with LP, in all the schedules you will notice an * by those dates.
Preentry is 100.00 up till Thursday Night before, 135 the day of. You may check with Neville when you get there they may make exceptions for Licensed riders and still get the 100.00 rate!!
FYI, all the EX 125 were running 1:40 - 1:45s
KW

[r6_philly]

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How am I as an AM supposed to learn from the EX's if I never get out there and practice with them?  Who am I to learn from?

OK, so i acknowledge the counter argument that Experts dont want to be out there with us "slow" or "dangerous" guys...but based on what I've seen the top handful of Amateurs in any given race would be knocking on the door of Top 10 finishes in Expert.

I agree that practice should be split by bike/classes, rather than ex/am. BUT, I had to say this about your statement above :

If the top handful of AM's would be knocking on the door of Top 10 finishes in EX races, THEN you would learn from THEM.

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I agree that practice should be split by bike/classes, rather than ex/am. BUT, I had to say this about your statement above :

If the top handful of AM's would be knocking on the door of Top 10 finishes in EX races, THEN you would learn from THEM.

  he IS one of them.....

[r6_philly]

 he IS one of them.....

Well then MOVE UP TO EXPERT. How much learning can you do in one to two round of practice? With combined practices you would have a lot of slower traffic anyway.

What better way to learn from the top experts than to RACE with them? If he consistently turn top 10-15 expert times, and I think he SHOULD ask to become a expert. Because he would whipping AM asses and there really wouldn't be any point to staying AM.

Unless CCS wouldn't let him move up. then I will eat my own foot.

Learn as an expert, from the experts, with the experts. If it is such a problem for him, why not change your own status (which only affects you) INSTEAD of campaigning to change the race day strucuture (which affects EVERYONE)

[sdiver68]

r6_philly-

I am not asking to change RACE day practices.... I am referring ONLY to the Friday practice days before a race weekend.  And, imho, I can learn tons from being out there with faster guys.  Other than taking schools which can be pretty big $$, is there a better way then to follow someone faster?

[THE_D.O.C.]

he told you already. white plates on YOUR bike.  ::)

[sdiver68]

Ok, so that brings up an interesting question...should a 1st year racer licensed in March be bumped to Expert in July?  I mean, there are guys running AMA Pro this year that ran WERA/CCS Amateur all of last year and of course won everything in site.  Should an Amateur get a chance to win a little $ back before jumping up?  ???

And no by no means am I winning eveything in sight, no need to roll eyes DOC for asking about things.

[THE_D.O.C.]

 ::) you asked how to get faster. someone told you how.  ::) then when you asked again {assuming you didn't like the first response} you didn't like my answer. ::) want to go fast? get white plates. hell, my amateur wins don't mean squat now that i have white plates.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)

[TZDeSioux]

white plates don't make you fast. There are plenty of slugs with white plates. I'd rather be a slug with yellow plates than a slug with white plates  :P