National/ Pro Riders Stealing the Ex Championsh

[Photo_Chick]

OK....

You know I would have to pipe up here.

I am the moderator on this board and perhaps a bit conservative, but there is a very good reason behind it.  The reason is that not only I read this board, but so does my daughter and other kids of racing families.  Tell me the truth, would you want your child reading some of the stuff on the other boards?  No.

Also, I like others, frequent these boards while at work (on breaks only  ;) ;D).  Work has certain standards as to what is considered an acceptable site to frequent.  I don't frequent the WERA or other boards while at work because some of those threads could be labeled as "mature."  Once that happens, no access to that site  :'(.

You can be yourself on this board, however vugarity and violence is not welcome and it is not needed.

Dawn   :)

And that's great.  That's what makes having the different boards worth it.  I believe that a racing board is for adults.  I can't fathom what children would be doing on a board that has discussions about races or bike set up, etc. but I'm probably just missing something. But that's my belief and is not shared by a lot of people.  The whole point is, having different boards to go to is great for everyone.

[Photo_Chick]

Oh yeah, and I love the WERA board too!

[MZGirl]

I don't frequent the WERA or other boards while at work because some of those threads could be labeled as "mature."  

Whoa!  Really?  Hey, anybody got a link to that WERA board?   ;D

The puppies and butterflies get a little old.   :P

[Photo_Chick]

Whoa!  Really?  Hey, anybody got a link to that WERA board?   ;D

The puppies and butterflies get a little old.   :P

That was funny!

[Mongo]

remember, mongo is the guy who condones wera national race winner staying novice, and winning every race they don't crash in the following year.

That only goes for classes you're racing in.  

[Dawn]

And that's great.  That's what makes having the different boards worth it.  I believe that a racing board is for adults.  I can't fathom what children would be doing on a board that has discussions about races or bike set up, etc. but I'm probably just missing something. But that's my belief and is not shared by a lot of people.  The whole point is, having different boards to go to is great for everyone.

The next generation of road racers are growing up now.  Jessie Janish is on this board and has been since he was 15.  My daughter is 11 and reads this board too.  I would be a hypocrite if I said no you can't read this or do this and then I did it myself.

The next generation of road racers are growing up now.  Where to they go to get the information and the atmostphere of this wonderful sport?  Sure there is RRW, but that isn't where most of these kids will be starting out.  There is the track, but that is only part of the experience.

Personally, and I know there are others on this forum, that don't like the foul language, and sexual innuendoes.  We get that enough from other sources like radio, tv, internet, ect.  It's nice to come to a forum like this.

Diversity is the spice of life.  The address for the WERA board is:

www.wera.com

Have fun.

Dawn   :)

[StuartV666]

Mongo! Something we agree on!! Alert! Alert!

There seems to be two different subjects being discussed here, without being recognized as different.

One is the subject of what a National Championship is, or should be. And the other is the subject of classes of racers.

Regarding National Championships, I think Dafan is on the right track. I think it would be more meaningful (and we'd all be happier) if it reflected a seaon's efforts and not just one race's results. Until CCS (and WERA) shows some interest in making a change like this, debating the formulaic details is somewhat moot. Maybe it would be better to just take the Regional Champ with the highest Performance Index in each class as the National Champ for that class....

The other subject is "Pro" riders (in quotes on purpose) running in Regionals. Complaining about that is sort of pointing at apples and complaining about oranges. The type of rider you are is somewhat irrelevant to what series you race in. If a series was designated as for a particular class of rider, that would be different. But that is not the case with either the WERA or CCS Regional Series. Those series are both offered as being for all racers.

That means what some of you are arguing for is really a 3rd class of license. Amateur, Expert, and Pro. With a 3-tier system, you would not allow Experts to race in AM races and you wouldn't allow Pros to race in EX races. But that's not what we have.

And, as Mongo keeps saying, if we did have it, what would be the criteria for moving from EX to Pro? It can't just be voluntary, or you wouldn't solve anything. It would be just like if you made the move from AM to EX voluntary. The majority would not be happy.

And if there is criteria for a mandatory move to Pro, what would it be?

My view is that some people might not like it, but Expert status is the moral equivalent of "Unlimited" class. Getting there means you have demonstrated the skill and experience to be on a track safely with any other racers. At that point, it's racing, not kindergarten.

At that point, FAIR means a clearly defined set of rules, equally enforced on all competitors. If somebody beats you, and did it without breaking any rules, then his or her victory was fair - complaints to the contrary are whining. Having a factory built bike (that is class-legal) is not unFAIR.

If the objective is to eliminate being beaten by "money" (i.e. factory-level spending), how about instituting a claiming rule? Make it where any of the top 5 finishers bikes can be purchased by any other competitor for 15% over MSRP for that model (like AMA Pro Racing sorta has in Supersport). That will eliminate the Rapps, Vesrahs, etc..

- Stu

[StuartV666]

ps. on National Championships. I've said this before. Why not take a cue from WERA and make it Invitation-only? Only the top 10 from each region. And move it to a venue like Road Atlanta, that is more central and more reflective (in terms of rider skill vs. handling vs. horsepower) of the tracks everybody raced on all year?

That would eliminate the one-race-all-year winners.

[Photo_Chick]

Now see Stuart, you've gone and changed this thread back to what it was originally about, and we were having fun changing the topic midstream!  ;D

[Photo_Chick]

Jessie Janish is on this board and has been since he was 15.  My daughter is 11 and reads this board too.  I would be a hypocrite if I said no you can't read this or do this and then I did it myself.

I have a 17 year old and just couldn't imagine her finding anything entertaining or useful on the race boards at that age.  

[GAMEDIC]

That means what some of you are arguing for is really a 3rd class of license. Amateur, Expert, and Pro. With a 3-tier system, you would not allow Experts to race in AM races and you wouldn't allow Pros to race in EX races. But that's not what we have.

Well i agree with you on some of it stu but not what i just quoted .. this is what we have in a way we only have 2 of the 3 classes you speak of but however Ex are NOT allowed to race against AM if they were it would be unfair as i think letting the "pros" race against our EX. But i do agree with the 3-tier system i think it owuld be a good idea...but again like you said unless they hear up and care...it's never going to happen

[dwtennis]

"ps. on National Championships. I've said this before. Why not take a cue from WERA and make it Invitation-only? Only the top 10 from each region. And move it to a venue like Road Atlanta"

How about Barber?  "By invitation only"--  Has a good ring to it.


Doug