What a WHINER!

[am125ike]

no way jose... those bikes are dangerous! I like my itty bitty bike. Makes me feel like a man.  :)

all bikes are dangerous, bri... you know that...

you corner faster, and you still get up to.... what??
how are your top straight speeds on that 374 tz machine  anyway ??

[OmniGLH]

Well, as far as *I* can tell, Kane does NOT have an ex-AMA bike.  DanO watched one of the middleweight holeshots at RA, and in the one he watched, his bike wasn't any faster than Borowitz.  If Kane had an extra 20hp on top of everybody, he wouldn't have been walked like he did.  Unless Borowitz ALSO has a cheater bike, but I doubt it.  Kane pitted a few spots away from us... from what DanO and I could tell, the bike looked like a stock 600, with a shock, forks, and a slip-on.

I firmly believe that racing motorcycles is 90% rider, and 10% machine.  It just so happens that Kane's 90% is much bigger than most of us.  

[OmniGLH]

::) and next year he'll disappear. right into the crowd he SHOULD have been racing with. bye kane.  :-*

I don't think he will.  I think once given stronger competition in Expert, he'll just get even faster.

My bet is that we'll see him as a top ProAMA privateer before too long.

[NOTBrider]

It's my understanding, though through 2nd hand and 3rd hand information, that KL is on an Ex-AMA bike and has committed significant time and money to this season's campaign.  If so ???, good for him, he has put in more than the other AM's and its paying off.  I can't wait to see him at Daytona, if I make it that far :D  There is another CCS and CRA "super" AM being talked about on the WERA board, Steve Atlas.

Sucks for some people, but no more than the guy who's riding a clapped out CBR600F2 every other local race against series regulars who make every Friday track day on a SB prepped 2002 GSXR750.  That's racing, and until you get a Full Honda Works MotoGP ride, there is always someone who will out resource you for the next race.  

Atlas is not an AM in WERA , why is he in CCS? ???

[oh344ccs]

 ???What's with all the whinning?  it seems like everyone is so concerned with what he should be doing, that noone is doing the right thing themselves.  I think if someone is faster than me, that's fine but, I'm sure going to try to learn what their doing that I'm not!  I've never seen him race, but I'd like to now, since everyone's :'(.  He is probably an ex racer o fsome sort whether it was dirt track or motorcross or whatever, but by the sound of it he must have this stuff  figured out pretty well.  And just remember anyone can be beaten, I don't care how good they are.  Sounds like he may beat some people before he unloads his bike.  How many of you walk through the pits figuring out where you will finish, or tell yourselves "I hope i can stay with ..."

I have a mx background and hope to do well in my first season, next year, but just like in mx 90% of racing is the rider 10% is the machine, and 75% of your riders part is in your head.  so stop the  :'(

[THE_D.O.C.]

oh that is such bullshit. if you are beating most experts, why the hell are you racing in the amateurs? no reason, other than to feed your ego. every trophy/championship is hollow as a flute. get your a$$ where you belong, racing with people of your caliber. not beating the equivilent of 10 year olds. give me a break. all of these "super amateurs" dissappear when they go expert.  ::)

[OmniGLH]

oh that is such bullshit. if you are beating most experts, why the hell are you racing in the amateurs? no reason, other than to feed your ego. every trophy/championship is hollow as a flute. get your a$$ where you belong, racing with people of your caliber. not beating the equivilent of 10 year olds. give me a break. all of these "super amateurs" dissappear when they go expert.  ::)

Dude you need to can the jealousy issue.  Seriously.  What's wrong with going for an amateur championship?  He's an am, he's fast, and he obviously busts his butt for it (1000 miles for a race weekend??? Sh*t, I don't like driving 100 miles!)  Who cares if his caliber is more of an Expert.  Maybe his goal really IS to go pro - o you know how expensive that is???  Do you know how much easier it is to get big-dollar sponsors if you can stick a few championships on your resume?  I know for a fact that he's going for the NRRS Amateur Championship (I'm sure that's aside from any SW local stuff...)  The NRRS is a BIG deal, it's a NATIONAL series, and that's reason alone to stick it out in Am.

There's always gonna be the guys full of excuses.  His bike is bike is newer/faster/better, the officials don't like me, the winner shouldn't be allowed in this class. Those guys are the people destined never to improve, destined always to be the backmarkers.  Because rather than learn, they just cry and make excuses.  It must suck to be one of them.

[Super Dave]

Not all "Super Amateurs" disappear.

After pounding everyone at the end of 1991 at the GNF and ROC, Colin Edwards raced the AMA 250GP race at Miami and finished second (about a month later).  After finishing at the front in the Honda Interceptor Challenge at the GNF in 1986 as an amateur, Scott Zampach made a living off Suzuki Cup money the next year.  There are others.

There are people that look at amateur racing as an opportunity to learn.  Some learn a bit quicker than others, and some never really learn.  Some sponsors see the amateur year as a good opportunity to start getting behind these Super Amateurs.  And I think they have a right too.  They don't want those riders to be there long, but they would like the opportunity to have some press.  And that's why we have sponsors, because there is press that is available.

On the flip side of Super Amateurs, what do you do with multi year amateurs?  I think they should be moved up.  Eventually, you've got it pretty figured out.  The track goes this way, registation is here.  You know how to go around the race track safely.  What more is there?

[THE_D.O.C.]

colin edwards went expert as soon as he kicked all the amateurs asses. which was the right thing to do. look i'm an expert, it's not a jealousy thing to me. i just think it's rediculous and sad to run around all by yourself taking all the wood just because you can. will his resume say "rode with a bunch of pre-schoolers and beat them all" or should it say "consistantly ran at the front of the expert/pro rider field" this clown is wasting time. and ruining competition for the real amateur riders. every race i won as an amateur was a dogfight to get. if i was going out and knowing i was going to win every race, then A. it's not racing, and B. it's a hollow victory at best.

[Super Dave]

A nerve?  Colin Edwards?

He didn't go expert ASAP.  He pounded the amateur ranks in 1991, South West Motorsports gobbled him up and saw that they could do something.  So, they kept him an amateur all year, and he won a bunch of races at ROC on full blown RC30 Superbikes, AMA Pro 250 GP bikes, and AMA supersport bikes.  He won amateur championships.  Mind you, a few years prior he was a mini motocross world champion.

The AMA had a road race that year through the streets of Miami in November.  You have to have expert points to get a pro license.  So, WERA and CCS went through all the races and calculated all the points that he would have received if he were an expert.  The races that were recalculated were combined races that he beat experts in too, in addition to the amateur field.  So, if he finished lets say fifth overall, first expert, they calculated the points he would have received being fifth.

Needless to say, the next year, 1992, Colin won the AMA 250GP championship having never really been an expert.  From amateur ROC star to AMA Pro champion in the course of a year.

Should Colin have gone expert during the 1991 season?  Probably, but it didn't happen.

Colin wasn't racing for wood.  SWMS and Colin were gaining experience.  He did take riders school at the beginning of the 1991 season.  He had never road raced before.  It was all pretty new to him and his family.  

You may be fast, but you might not be experienced.  Experience will keep you from getting hurt.  You wouldn't want inexperienced riders racing among riders that have the experience to get inexperienced riders hurt.  That's unsafe.  I think that is the real issue that is always at hand.  

[THE_D.O.C.]

sooooooooo....... what experience do you get running away from real amateurs? experience is leaning on someone else at the same rate of speed through a corner. trust me, all the hollow trophies in the world won't give you experience. racing will though. like i said. this guy is no colin edwards. it's already been said he has prior racing experience. just wasting time he is. {yoda voice}

[DanO966]

Man...Just give it more GAS!! ;D ;D