4&6RACING ROBBERS

[Super Dave]

Hey, Jim...

I'll agree that the internet does give any one an opportunity to say anything.  You hope that everyone is honest.

Regardless, I do thing problems are best taken care of at the sources.  I would hope that a customer of mine would come to me if they had a problem.  Doesn't always happen like that.

Jim's been doing business for quite some time.  Longer than I can remember.  At one time, Jim offered a generous contingency program of cash and certificates to riders in general.  

Jim knows that I have never been a customer of his, but I do know his record and success of past work.  

I hope that everyone can resolve this issue in a better manner.

[Jim Rashid]

I live 15 minutes from their shop and have been in there no more than 0 times. Geeez I wonder why. I feel for you. That sucks ass. Have you talked to the owner?

I don't wonder at all why you haven't been to my shop , I thank god everyday that people like you never frequent my shop , you listen to one side of the story but feel the need to blow your load , what a goof , probably have a 15 year old tz too! . See now that was mean on my part not knowing the whole story wasn't it. But anyway get the facts from both sides before commenting.
                                              jim

[Jim Rashid]

Hey, Jim...

I'll agree that the internet does give any one an opportunity to say anything.  You hope that everyone is honest.

Regardless, I do thing problems are best taken care of at the sources.  I would hope that a customer of mine would come to me if they had a problem.  Doesn't always happen like that.

Jim's been doing business for quite some time.  Longer than I can remember.  At one time, Jim offered a generous contingency program of cash and certificates to riders in general.  

Jim knows that I have never been a customer of his, but I do know his record and success of past work.  

I hope that everyone can resolve this issue in a better manner.

Hi Dave it was good seeing you at Road America . Yes he could have called me and talked to me but that is too easy. It's better to get sympathy from people on a bulletin board to make him feel better. Yes at one time we paid out alot of cash and certificates to the local riders, not anymore it's not really worth it. There is no return to the shop for what we gave away , there is not a lot of loyalty only where can i save a penny. Silly isn't it.  Jim

[TreyBone]

I myself own a business as well. If someone is talking shit about my work on the internet, the last thing I would do his bash him back. Jim, if you are the business owner why on god's earth would you bash you customers.  The customer is always right, even if they are wrong.  I have to put up with that everyday in my business. I would never trash or bash any of my customers in public, because other good customers will drop you like used rubber.

Obviously motorcycle shop owners make to much money. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying to run other customers off.   :P

[sportbikepete]

Can I have the Payperview rights for this upcoming fight? :P

[Jim Rashid]

I myself own a business as well. If someone is talking shit about my work on the internet, the last thing I would do his bash him back. Jim, if you are the business owner why on god's earth would you bash you customers.  The customer is always right, even if they are wrong.  I have to put up with that everyday in my business. I would never trash or bash any of my customers in public, because other good customers will drop you like used rubber.

Obviously motorcycle shop owners make to much money. Otherwise they wouldn't be trying to run other customers off.   :P

Interesting point of view , unfortunately times have changed and in some cases the customer isn't always right , I am not Kmart , Home Depot , or any other big box store , yes at those places you are always right even when you break something they will happily take it back .

We are a speciality shop , if you screw something up we are not going to kiss your ass and take it back , very simple. If we screw up we admit it , it seems most people are not man enough to  admit they screw up  so they bash me on here.

I also guess a business has no right to defend itself , just cower down and let someone bash you.

Well that may be ok in your politically correct society , but it doesn't count in mine.

He could have called and talked to me , but no , he bashes on a bulletin  board. not only in this forum but another.    Jim

[am125ike]

  ???
   jim, uninformed may fit, because i dont know anything about how long you've been in business or anything about your past contingency/money give away's, however, i will not comment on my level of intelligence, or yours, except to say that im a college grad. and an electronic technician. not a mechanical technician, otherwise i would have done the bike work myself, i have however been through extensive automobile work, almost all but bodywork. that is why i drove from the far south side of chicago to your shop in the northern suburbs with bike in tow, to have the work done properly, you hint towards payment being an issue, i never asked anyone for a discount, i only asked how much i'd be paying.  
  and for your 'first off',  maybe you can tell me why shawn told me that
" we've only got to put the airbox and tank back on"  ..... and the plugs were loose, i wasnt there, and i dont know what happened.    now, i get to duck the idiot comment concerning the placement of the clip-ons, because i didnt put them on, but i cant resist to ask, since you've been in business as long as you have, and you noticed that, how can you refer to anyone as an idiot when
you went ahead and broke it??? and if you're welding the spools in the rear of the bike, why is the front turned to the extreme ???
    and if the rearset is cracked, when you notice it, and you've been in business for sooooo long, why dont you call me and tell me that when you notice it ???
 and the million dollar question is.......drum roll..... why in the world did shawn tell me that it was broken when it came in ???   not craked and you guy's broke it on off!!!  "one of our guys, jim, in the back, said he noticed that it was BROKEN when it came in"  is exactly what he said on the phone to me.
and if it was cracked, and you were attaching a ground lead, why not attach it somewhere else?? thats not the only place you can find for a ground. is it??
  the tank has been off several times, but ive got plenty spare hoses, and there was no leak, that much i know about my bike.
   and no sir you did not offer to split anything with me, i had to ask your guy to split the bill for the windscreen! the only thing he offered me was the information about ME needing to get another.
  ok, im to the part about my stupidity as far as my bar mounting,  :-X im not going to comment, and it's hard, but im actualy not stupid. you can hurl names alone for now.
  you go on to say " feel free "flamin" you, but i'll let you know that this was a form of release for me because YOU were paid for your services, I was burnt!
  i KNEW that after talking to shawn, that it would have been a waste of time for me to try to talk to anyone else there (i can see clearly from your response) anything that shawn says to anyone there is going to stand taller than anything that this piss a$$ 'one hundred dollar' customer is going to have to say. nothing in your comments say anything close to " im sorry you didnt have the greatest service experience here at 4&6, give me a call at yada yada yada, and im sure we can work something out, something that will cause you to recant your writings, something that will have you to see that we realy do care about our customers, something that will see everyone happy"  nope!!!
   just, you're a stupid, uninformed, unintelligent idiot whose looking for a handout, and didnt get it, so im trashing your shop  :-/ .........
and if you dont want to do business with us, thats fine.  
you say racing cost's money,( and i paid you), the problem is, ive got to spend more than bargained for, because of your carelessness, and the only thing you can do is pass the buck and try to throw the attention from where it should be, i didnt ask you to support or fulfill anything concerning any big named racer. period. .so where did that come from??? i made a complaint about sh_tty work that i paid for, and you end with "that's why it's a pile of crap when you're done".........well........it ran great before you touched it. and the windscreen may have been cracked, along with the rearset, but cracked doesnt spell out   b r o k e n ............
  

  

[sportbikepete]

Round 4 ding ding. ;D

[skydiver19]

While I can certainly agree that the customer is "not always right", I would expect that a business operator in today's economy would always maintain the highest level of professional courtesy.  No matter what. The inane tirades that are piling up on this thread are evidence enough that name calling and insults as a form of conflict resolution stopped being successful around the 3rd grade.  It surprises me that a legitimate(?) businessman would engage in that manner of discourse.  Granted, no amount of logic or professionalism can convince some people they're wrong, but at the end of the day, your professional image and integrity remain intact.

Having no connection to this dispute nor either party, I can safely say that based on the manner with which 4&6 has been represented on this thread, I would not do business with them.  But it appears that's not really a concern of theirs...

Just a few worthless thoughts to pass the time.

[am125ike]

Hi Dave it was good seeing you at Road America . Yes he could have called me and talked to me but that is too easy. It's better to get sympathy from people on a bulletin board to make him feel better. Yes at one time we paid out alot of cash and certificates to the local riders, not anymore it's not really worth it. There is no return to the shop for what we gave away , there is not a lot of loyalty only where can i save a penny. Silly isn't it.  Jim

no jim, i realy dont think it would have been easy to approach you, or anyone there, simply by the way shawn said " you gotta get another, we broke it"
...that in itself, tells me that im gonna get worked up, and the way you said in your earlier writing "offering half was more than you should have due to my stupidity"  it seems to me that you have been in business so long that customers get on your nerve's, and that you look for any short-cut that you can find, which is why you didnt take better care of my bike.
 just ask yourself, " if another bike comes in to your shop with a cracked windscreen and rearset, will it leave out the same way? or will you go ahead and break the two again ? "
  i mean, you gotta admit that there is something different that you could have done to keep either of them from breaking. every one at the track that saw my bike said " man, they drop'd your bike"  
   and i didnt even mention that you gave me the worst spools around, and the worst weld, why didnt i get the ones that can be replaced, if these break, im done!   my team-mate, got spools from you, he say's for not more than 60 bucks, and he got the good ones, they screw on and off.....but his skin is alot lighter than mine,.... what did i do or say, that made me a target, i sure feel like one, was it the braids, or the way i dress (or lack of).....
    and being a new customer of yours, you looking for loyalty from me
   :-/ ????  you've done nothing for me, and with that, i must say that you cant judge a book by it's cover, ive gotta look stupid to you! but again i tell you that im not. (you wrote that theres no loyalty, only where can i save a penny) but you're the one getting over, you saved on the b.s. spools you gave me, the b.s. weld you gave me, everyone at the track said 'eeuuwww!!!' .....you saved on the windscreen and rearset you should have been buying, and have the nerve to say im looking for sympathy, i shouldve talked to you?? YOU should have talked to ME!!! no doubt in my mind, if i need to come and make a presentation to you after you hand my bike back to me in the condition that you did, im fighting a losing battle from the start, ive been around jim, people told me i should roll my bike into your shop, and demand this and/or that, but jim, that's the stuff that im steering clear of, growing up on the ruff side of town, i know that people like you will only make me get myself in trouble, it's not worth it, ive been there, it's much cheaper (time and money)(for me) to give you a rearset a windscreen some spools, shit, take the bike, my freedom beats all of those totaled!
and for your 'sympathy' thing, and the " not man enough" part, it's all taking attention away from where it should be.

and jim, this is a joke you wrote:
"We are a speciality shop , if you screw something up we are not going to kiss your ass and take it back , very simple. ***If we screw up we admit it , it seems most people are not man enough to  admit they screw up *** so they bash me on here."

and i dont know what kinda god you thank for keeping customers away from your shop, but i will tell you that it cant be much of a God, cuz yours dont even get a capitol "G" .....

but in closing, i pray for mine to Bless you and all that read our drama... //

[TZDeSioux]

I don't wonder at all why you haven't been to my shop , I thank god everyday that people like you never frequent my shop , you listen to one side of the story but feel the need to blow your load , what a goof , probably have a 15 year old tz too! . See now that was mean on my part not knowing the whole story wasn't it. But anyway get the facts from both sides before commenting.
                                              jim

Jim,
Actually my TZ is a 98 and even it were 15 years old.. it's irrelevant. Perhaps I was out of line with my sarcastic comment and I apologize. I suppose I typed without thinking about how some people might take my comment.  But on any note.. it is pretty juvenile that you would attack me or Ike's inability to put his clipons on properly especially since you are a businessman who makes a living off of people like us although I have never been in your Skokie shop which is not to say that I have never used your services while your shop was in the city. And isn't it typical that your side of the story is the exact opposite of Ike's story. Maybe there is some truth to each of your stories and maybe both of you are full of shit...  but now that both stories are out.. is it safe for me to conclude that you're acting like an ass?

[TreyBone]

DING DING       ROUND 5 ;D